7th March 2025
Be inspired by Natasha Nishimwe’s coaching story
“The cave you fear to enter holds the treasure you seek.”
When Natasha Nishimwe (Save the Children International) stepped into a new role in a global team, she felt like an imposter. But by taking action through coaching, she unlocked her confidence, overcame self-doubt and stepped into new professional opportunities.
Guided by Charlotte Balfour-Poole (Head of Coaching at the Humanitarian Leadership Academy), Natasha’s story is a powerful example of how coaching can help humanitarians to break barriers, challenge self-doubt, and take action toward their goals.
In this episode released for International Women’s Day 2025, Natasha opens up about the challenges she faced and finding work-life balance as a working mother.
Tune in and hear how coaching can be a powerful tool for fostering resilience, confidence and growth:
- Why is trust so central to the coaching process?
- What does imposter syndrome feel like, a phenomenon that more commonly affects women in the workplace?
- What can happen when we challenge our limiting beliefs?
- How can coaching reshape leadership in the humanitarian sector?
This is the second instalment of a special 2-part podcast focusing on coaching for humanitarians. Listen to part 1: Coaching for humanitarians: tools and techniques to foster resilience and growth.
“I’m now studying to do coaching and mentoring because I think what happened to me can happen to the others if they get that chance…I’m starting to be part of so that we can have more women destroying one assumption a time and be able to break the some of the barriers that are on their way, and be able to to grow in their in their career, in their life, their personal lives.” – Natasha Nishimwe
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About the speakers
Natasha Nishimwe
Natasha Nishimwe is a humanitarian professional with over a decade of experience in international NGOs, focusing on communities and children. She’s dedicated to enhancing aid sector effectiveness through impactful partnerships. A quick learner and self-motivated, she excels in sustainable development, youth engagement, women’s empowerment, and localization, with strong skills in partnership management, strategic planning, and communication.
Her career began in 2014 with Save the Children in Rwanda/Burundi as an education intern, later becoming a book publishing officer, and by 2018, the Organizational Capacity Development and Partnership Coordinator. In 2022, she joined the global team as Global Partnership Advisor, contributing to projects like the partnership E-learning and FlexOm. In 2023, she became the Regional Civil Society Partnership Advisor in Senegal, advancing localization and partnership strategies. Since January 2025, she is the Lead, Strategic Programme Partnership in the global team.
Natasha holds a bachelor’s in Development Studies, speaks English, French, Kinyarwanda, and conversational Swahili, and is pursuing a postgraduate certification in Coaching and Mentoring for Leadership from Leeds Beckett University via HLA sponsorship. Natasha is currently based in Dakar, Senegal.
Charlotte Balfour Poole
Charlotte Balfour-Poole has over 17 years experience in the humanitarian sector and is currently Head of Coaching with the Humanitarian Leadership Academy in Save the Children. She leads an ambitious and complex Senior Leadership and Coaching portfolio spanning both internally and externally developing and ensuring a strategic and comprehensive coaching offer is available across the humanitarian sector.
Previously Charlotte was Global Head of Humanitarian Education for Save the Children (SC) and the Director of the Humanitarian Technical Unit. Charlotte began her career as a Humanitarian Education Response Advisor deploying to a vast array of complex, protracted and sudden-onset humanitarian crises as part of SC’s Global Emergency response team designing, delivering, coordinating and monitoring high quality and appropriate education responses in humanitarian settings.
Charlotte is passionate about education and leadership (especially girls Education & Women in Leadership). She is a qualified Coach, as well as an Associate Trainer with RedR, Mentor and facilitator, focused on individual, team and Leadership Coaching. She is currently studying for a Postgraduate Diploma in Leadership Coaching and also holds an MSc in Child Development and Postgraduate Certificates in Humanitarian Leadership, and Leadership Coaching. Charlotte is based in Wiltshire, UK
Episode produced by Ka Man Parkinson, Communications and Marketing Specialist, HLA.
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Episode transcript
Episode transcript
[Intro music and voiceover]
Welcome to Fresh Humanitarian Perspectives, the podcast brought to you by the Humanitarian Leadership Academy.
Ka Man [voiceover]: Welcome to today’s episode. I’m Ka Man Parkinson and we’re exploring the transformative power of coaching for humanitarians through this special two-part podcast.
If you haven’t yet tuned into episode: Coaching for humanitarians: tools and techniques to foster resilience and growth, I highly recommend that you do. In that conversation, I sit down with Charlotte Balfour-Poole, who is the Head of Coaching here at the HLA, to unpack the coaching process and to hear practical ways to integrate coaching tools and techniques into daily life.
In this second instalment, you’ll hear the inspiring story of Natasha Nishimwe, who embarked upon her own coaching journey together with Charlotte.
In this open and reflective conversation, Natasha opens up about the challenges she’s faced and how coaching has been an invaluable tool to support her in navigating these challenges on both the personal and professional front.
Natasha’s journey, alongside Charlotte coaching philosophy, showcases how coaching can be a powerful catalyst for change for everyone.
So let’s dive into the conversation between Charlotte and Natasha.
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Charlotte: Hi Natasha. It’s lovely to speak to you today and welcome you to this podcast. I wondered as we get started, if you could just tell our listeners a little bit about yourself. Obviously we know each other quite well, having worked together in a coaching relationship. But yeah, if you could introduce yourself that would be fantastic.
Natasha: Hi Charlotte. Thanks a lot for having me. It’s such humbling and a pleasure to be to be here recording this with you. Yes, my name is Natasha Nishimwe. I have been with several Children International for 10 years now, I worked as at the Country Office in Rwanda, then with the global team, then the with the regional team in Western Central Africa and now be training again a global team since starting from July. I got to be introduced to coaching and mentoring in 2022. I knew experience that I did not know anything about. And I’m glad I had to experience it. And yeah, I’ll be looking forward to sharing what I learned, what I went through the experience and yeah, what it did for me.
Charlotte: Natasha, it’s interesting because you said you didn’t know anything about coaching before, so I wondered if you could tell us a little bit more about sort of, yeah, how the opportunity came about, what your perceptions were or misconceptions if there were any?
Natasha: Sure, so how does this start? I join a team in 2022 global team from a country job where I have been just working in my country with the people I know in face to face context and then in 2022 I joined a global team working remotely. A team where it’s very diverse, people from everywhere and all of a sudden I feel it’s like, I feel like, as we say, most of the time I feel like a fraud. I feel the imposter phenomenon. What we call now, the imposter syndrome. And I didn’t know how to react about it, but then I felt like there was something that was limiting me to do things and it was a kind of a fear that what if I expose? What if I say things and they’re not adequate? What if, so I had those limitations and luckily enough, I had the line manager who I was able to talk to and I was able to combine to confide in yeah to yeah to open up and talk to her. And I told her what I was feeling, I actually didn’t know the names of whatever I was feeling. I just said how I felt and she was like by the way, we have a coaching and mentoring service in the organisation. I was like, what’s that? And yeah, she went on. I have. I’ve heard of the word coaching and mentoring, but then I thought it was for really high level people or I didn’t I didn’t think it was for me. I didn’t yeah. So I was like, how does it work? She was like, yes, we will get to see a matching, you apply, you say what you’d like to achieve, what you’d like to? The challenges you’re having and so on.
And yeah, so what I expected when with that discussion before we even get to finding a match and so on is I have this, I have this challenge of feeling not belonging enough, worthy enough, and so on. And that’s making me be limited in what I can do and what I’m capable of doing, so I expected that it was going to be more of telling me how to do things. Yeah, asking me questions, but actually telling me, telling me you should be doing this. Maybe you can read this. Maybe you can practice this. Giving me tools and knowledge of what I should be doing to get to where I want to go. So that’s, that’s what I expect. That’s what I thought was going to be happening. But then things happen differently.
Charlotte: That’s super interesting and I wondered as you went into that process, how did you, how did you feel? Were you kind of excited? Were you doubtful? Were you anything that was sort of worrying you going into that process or were you excited, optimistic?
Natasha: Yeah, I thought that the first step that was hard was to be vulnerable that first time to tell my line manager this is what’s happening. I thought that was the hardest part. And then I was oh, I initially I thought when I told I thought it was going to be her who will be supporting me. But then I was like, oof, I have to, I will have to open up to somebody else that I don’t know, so it’s not even ending here.
And yeah, that was what I thought about. And I will have to talk to somebody else, but I don’t know then then would that would that, would that not confirm maybe that really I’m that fraud that I think I am, if I have to re repeat it to somebody else, that I don’t know. So that was the challenge was like who would that person be, how would that happen? Would I be able to speak to them without knowing them or anything? So that was the part was easy part I thought about. Also, yeah, the fact of again, opening up, talking about my background, my work challenge though I was. I thought I was really working, but I thought I could do more, and much better with some push and some yeah, some support.
Charlotte: That’s really interesting. And it’s, yeah, I guess for me, I don’t see that part of the process and that anxiety and fear that people might have. And it’s made me think, yeah, how do we kind of make that even, you know, break down all those barriers, reassure people. Because I think there’s something in what you’re saying, isn’t there, about the relationship with the coach that’s so important. And I was actually looking at some research on this recently, and apparently that is one of the biggest factors that influences a successful coaching relationship is that match. And yeah, whether you feel that you can have that relationship. But also, as you’ve just said, to be able to bear everything again, you kind of to retell your story or tell your story differently or share your [laughs]. So I wondered, yeah, what made that possible? How was that to navigate and how did you overcome that?
Natasha: Yeah, I think the matching went well so I had to, like the process was that I make an application and write down what the changes I was having, what I was hoping for as a result of the of the coaching and it went through the matching process and I was lucky to matched with you. And I think the first the first session of contracting, yeah, I think that’s how we call technically. But the introduction, the telling, the reassuring that everything we’re discussing here will be confidential.
So one of, the worry I also have was like this is under the context of work. So the results of what we expect to happen after this is that it will be interpreted in how I perform, so somehow I thought, before I thought the before the session the first session, I was like these things we discussed here we definitely get to my line manager and she will get to know how I’m processing I’m progressing and maybe that we will also be she also need to know how is it. How is that change happening being seen in how I do the work I do? So I was like I was worried with that part.
But then with the first session, I was reassured that whatever we discuss here, everything we discussed here will remain here be on work, profession or personal, that everything will remain here and nothing is going to be outside. We not be telling anything to your line manager. And that reassured me because I was like, yes, I expect that I will have changes, yes. But what if it does not do the magic [laughs] maybe I’m thinking it has to do and that I don’t get to do miracles or things would it feel like a waste of time? It be like it did not produce what was supposed to produce so that that that pressure or that worry came down with that session of knowing that, yes, we will have this many sessions. I think that we’re counting six. After that, we review, we see if you still want to continue but everything we remain between us.
So that that really reassured me, I think that was that was the part that made me think that, wow, I think this is I think we’re going to have something interesting with this process. And I think also seeing that. I think you are an amazing coach, the way you presented it and I felt safe. And also seeing it’s another woman, I don’t know why it felt much safer that, we can understand each other in many ways. And that and that was a reassuring part as we’re knowing that these things in common, we’re in the same sector, you know the organisation, if I can talk about how things can be overwhelming, I think you will have an idea of what that looks like. And understand and be able to, yeah, to be able to guide and provide the support that yeah, will be needed. So I think that fact of assuring that things remain confidential removed more of the worry that I had before.
Charlotte: Super interesting and you’ve, yeah, you’ve touched on a lot there and you know in terms of that matching process, the confidentiality, the contracting, etc and something that people might not be aware of is that we do have a pool of pro bono coaches who are external and then we do have internal humanitarian coaching pool. And different people want different things. So I think it’s interesting to, yeah, see the kind of the benefits and the pros and cons of both. So yeah, and kind of we didn’t know each other before the relationship. So I think that’s quite useful. But to be in the same ecosystem and as you say know some of those challenges.
And one of the challenges, Natasha, that comes quite often is that people start coaching and they say or they sort of a reluctant to start because they say I don’t have time. I’ve got a very pressured and busy job. So I wondered, you know, what would you say to those, those people, and how did you kind of carve out the time and how did you find that balancing with your work? How did it fit in? How did it support you? What happened between the sessions?
Natasha: Yeah, it’s very easy to not find that time ’cause, I think we do, we do a work that requires really time and I think it requires to like the process you’re going through and to see the value in it so that you can be able to make that time. Because I think the first session we had was more of yes, setting the boundaries, the contracting and so on, and I had to be the one schedule the following session. So that responsibility as well made it that it’s about me. It’s about, I’m in the driving place. I’m the driving position, not my coach, and that brings the responsibility of making that time. Understanding the process we’re going through and being the one kind of being the one who, yeah, who sets the time, who reminds who, who does that? Not reminding in terms of yeah, but if there’s a change, being the one communicating and suggesting another time and so on, and not waiting for the course to do that.
And I think what made me stick into that? I remember there was this time also we will push sometimes I don’t have decision. The time we’re supposed to have it. But then the fact that you were touching things that I didn’t know we were going to touch and every session will be different and as I was saying, I thought we be thought my coach will be telling me things to do and then when we started, it was more of not telling me by asking me questions, questioning the things that I had thought were the truth.
And that was, I wouldn’t say it’s a therapy I was going through [laughs] but it was more of really going, going…it was a journey inside, as I can say, and it was both scary and interesting at the same time. It was like, I think when you’ve worked like a safe, how would they say, a mental excuse? How would they say, excuse basically, an excuse, but felt something like it’s true and that the way that it’s limiting you it’s none of you, it’s none of your fault it’s that’s how it is. You’re a minority. You studied in not very interesting university. So if you don’t do something good, very high, then it’s understandable.
But, and that can be safe, like a way of excusing. So if you have to question that and be like by the way, no, that’s not, that’s not a fact. So it’s yeah, it’s crumbling things down. But opening up a new world for you. So crumbling that world that you’ve built along and all that you’re building in that time to excuse yourself or to yet. And building that, putting that down with the questions that my coach was asking me was scary and interesting at the same time.
And that reminded me of this quote that said “The cave you fear to enter holds the treasures that you seek“. So I felt like I needed to go deeper into that area and question all these things that were holding me back and be able to overcome them so I was, I was very expecting. I was like, curious of what will be next every time and with every session. I will come with a topic or a challenge or most of the time it will be a question you ask me. So how, how are the things now? Is there anything you’d like us talk about? And most of the time I will come with a challenge I’m going through or one of the things I’ve been questioning was thinking about.
And also that fact of thinking that I am the one coming up with the challenge or the situation or just a case or just I’m not doing good this time. What I’m doing really super super good and I don’t know what’s causing it or I don’t know. So the fact that you’re the one also preparing, I would say preparing or bringing the topic at the table. That makes you do the work before, the thinking work or then the situation thinking around what’s going on the reflection about the previous session and if there’s things that you’ve been able to work on during the month between the previous session. Yeah, doing that analysis or reflection and bring it back to the session. So that work as well makes you can do both. It can make you lazy because it’s not easy or make you want to come back to the session. Yeah, but I think the fact that we’re going through things that were a limitation for me but that I was noticing that they were not tangible things. They were thoughts and assumption and myth. That was interesting and I wanted it make me made me want to come back every other session.
Charlotte: And go into that cave [laughs]. It’s that sounds dark and scary. I hope it wasn’t! [laughs]
But, what you’ve said is so profound and I think you know, that’s often people say, what’s the difference between coaching and mentoring? And I think you know what you’ve said is very much that very clear distinction. So, you know, mentoring is, yeah, somebody has some more skill. You go to them and I know you’re a finance guru, an expert. So I would come to you as a mentor and say, can you mentor me on all of these things around finance?
Whereas with a coach, it’s yeah, you, you have all the answers within you. And I think there’s something for me, you know, from the moment I met you, I mean I feel this with everyone I work with but particularly with you was like you wanted to be there you were very clear what the kind of yeah this is constructed ideas in your head. That you had kind of the limiting assumptions that you had put on yourself and so very easily, it was like how can we, yeah, how can we work together to challenge those? Maybe some are true, maybe some aren’t. And who knows? Let’s look at them. Let’s take the lid off and have a good look around safely and we can put the lid back on or we can take some things out-of-the-box. We can move them. And I think that was, yeah, that was the process and the kind of journey that we went on.
But I think there was. And yeah, the responsibility that you took and the agency you took for yourself I think probably was one of the things that gave you the biggest kind of transformational journey. And I and I wondered if you could talk a little bit more about that kind of you know what was the change, what was the impact? Often people say you know, how do we measure coaching? And I said, I don’t know, I’m not the expert in measurement. You tell me how do we measure it. But I think one of the things is you know I consistently hear testimonies or statements from people that they say it’s been transformational. It’s been life changing. And or they say, oh yeah, it’s helped me shift the dial on something. So I wondered for you what’s that impact being? Is there anything you’ve noticed? I’m trying to think how long ago it was that we worked together, but whether there’s been a lasting impact as well. Any of those things that still come to mind now?
Natasha: Yeah, I think maybe we’re still going to that question. I’d like to mention something in the experience I had with the coaching or some of the, some of the things that made me think that, by the way, it’s maybe possible. I think there’s one of the techniques that you used of asking me that if you, if there was none of this limitation, we talk about, if you had no fear at all, what would you do differently? And that that was like, it was a simple question but really really deep ’cause I was like by the way, if there is, if there was none, why would the and I thought of things that could do differently? And I was like I’ll be raising my hand without thinking twice if I have something to say and if it’s not pleasant, I would just take it on me. Like it made me, I felt free that, by the way I can be in that area of that freedom.
And I think talking about the impact, I think that’s what became the impact later. I was, I wouldn’t say I become fearless, but I didn’t mind opening up and sharing my mind and applying for something. And I think one of the one of the biggest impact is that as we’re saying we started coaching together in June. I mean, in in 2022, around November, around the end of the year and what I remember is that there was a colleague who had suggested me to apply for the role that I am in now and they had fear to apply for it. I was like, no, I can’t. No, I can’t. It’s an international job. I can’t! Just not even talk about. Don’t even talk about it! A like a few months later on.
The same position was reopened in 2023, early 2023. And we’ve been like three or four months with the coaching with you. And I was by the way, let me give you this. I don’t lose anything, you know, applying for it. And I applied for it and I got it.
So I think the fact that I’m the same person who a month ago was like, no, I can’t, don’t even, don’t even try. And later on I was, I was able to. I think that was that I think I will attribute a big part of it to it because I think one of the things I learned is that the confidence doesn’t just come by calling it or by saying I’d like to be confident. It comes through doing things that you’re much you’re more afraid of doing. So those things when you do them and you do them, you do them well or even you when you make mistakes and you get the feedback, but it’s by doing the things you’re much you’re more afraid of. That comes, that brings that confidence or that trust in you or esteem self esteem that you did them and nothing happened. The world did not end [laughs] and he was still there. And yes, if something didn’t go right, you get to improve and to get feedback and yeah.
But I think most the biggest change or yeah as it’s hard to measure coaching as you say. But it my biggest change was seen in the actions I was able to take after that that I wouldn’t easily take before. I would, I would just feel like no, I can’t. And I’ve been able to make those actions or step decisions based as a result of that questioning and that work, that inner work that happened through the coaching process.
Charlotte: Yeah, amazing. And I remember that moment when you told me. you said ‘Charlotte, I didn’t tell you, but I actually did apply. And I didn’t tell you because I didn’t think was going to get it and I didn’t want to like [laughs]. No, I applied and been accepted‘ and I was like, ‘wow, yeah, just in such a short time. I’m just seeing that difference and that change in you from the person that I’d first met’ was ‘Yeah, I think it was the January, wasn’t it when you got for the role and it was like, wow, yeah, just since that time and and now you’ve applied for another role as well. So congratulations, you’ve got another amazing role, which is very exciting.
Natasha: Yeah and I think the process was the same. I wouldn’t say we get to reach somewhere, but when I was proposed to apply for it, I first said ‘no, I can’t. I don’t think I should’.
And but just yeah, I think you and the person was like, please apply for it. So I think there’s also, it also requires people around you, I think sometimes to remind you of, yes you can and give you that push, but then yeah not to say that. I’m now the. Yeah, I think I still have, I still got to be reminded or to ‘Yeah to be. Yeah, right. Apply. Don’t worry. Do that. Yeah’.
Charlotte: And I think there’s, you know. I talk about this a lot in our Women in Leadership Network, but you know a woman won’t apply for a job unless she meets 10 out of 10 of the requirements, job requirements. A man will apply if meets 3. And so there is, you know, there is statistical evidence about us not wanting to put ourselves.
But I think there’s also something about, you know, other females being able to role model or and be a support network. And what I see in you is now yeah that you now, you’re a role model for other women who are following in your footsteps. You are maybe more junior who haven’t had those opportunities.
And that’s phenomenal for people to see. And yeah, we all, we all need that reassurance. So I always say to people the work is never done, but you never know the power of just one compliment or one small you know bit of reassurance that you offer somebody that can just yeah encourage, encourage them. And again I just I see the beauty in humans of yeah seeing that kind of growth, that development.
And I love your analogy of, yeah, just go going deeper, like go into the cave is just, yeah, be brave. And as you say sometimes that first step is the one that feels like you’re to fall a cliff and actually nothing happens and I’m a little bit further. So yeah, it’s phenomenal to see. I get, I get like visceral energy, I feel so excited by the transformation and seeing that in people. I wondered if there’s any, yeah, anything else that you want to say in terms of kind of impact on you personally, professionally, anything that we haven’t really touched on?
Natasha: I think we’ve touched everything. And so I think what did for me as yeah, as a woman, as a woman with small children, still making children, is that what I can do is also be part of the be part of the network, be part of the change that happened to me and be able to also give that to others. So with that I applied to the Women Network. I joined the discussions as well and also now studying to do coaching and mentoring because I think what happened to me can happen to the others if they get that chance and it’s not that the service are not there, but many do not know it and I was lucky to be able to open up. But then somebody else will not be able to open up. But even if no one is opening up to to say their challenge, but getting to know that there is a pool of people who can provide that and getting, raising that awareness that what coaching can do that, what mentoring can provide to a person, I think that is is a good job you’re doing that I’d like to be part of.
And yeah, that I’m starting to be to being part of so that we can have more women destroying one assumption a time and being able to break the some of the barriers that are on their way and be able to to grow in their in their career, in their life, their personal lives. And yeah, I forgot to mention that the coaching the not only affect my professional life but also my personal life, I was able to to make yeah, to do much more of work/life balance, I think because if that pressure falls down of over working yourself, then you’re able to, you’re able to respect the working hours, as simple as that so that you have done this today. I will do the rest tomorrow. I can have time with the family. And sometimes it’s it can be that simple change that happens that would change so many things. Also about, you know, personal life and the way you interact with the rest of the family and so on. So yeah, being part of that journey as well is one big take away I got from the coaching experience.
Charlotte: Amazing Natasha and yeah, I kind of just to see your whole journey to see what you’ve juggled, to see the barriers that you’ve broken through. I should also say for the recording that Natasha is doing this whilst on maternity leave with a newborn at home. So yeah, just a huge thank you to you for giving up your time and the dedication shown to kind of supporting and serving others, and I’m so excited that you’re now on that coaching journey as well to be able to amplify that impact for others. Because I think when people have been through the journey themselves and then you know, do that for others, it it just builds the kind of yeah, the meaning around it and I think you know, in the humanitarian sector at the moment, there’s so much challenge. There’s so much uncertainty and complexity. Everything feels quite overwhelming. And I think for a lot of humanitarian leaders, they feel they need to have all the answers.
But actually I think the simple process of coaching and mentoring you know is about partnering with people and seeking solutions, seeking challenges, seeking ways forward. We might have not the right way. We might not know the only way but I think, yeah, coaching is such a beautiful way to do that. And again, culturally, that’s one of the reasons why I want to build the humanitarian coaching pool. We now have 27 different nationalities in that pool so we’re building up the language skills, but again, that kind of I call it my tentacles. They’re kind of everywhere across the globe and we’re kind of creating that coaching culture. So just to say, yeah, huge thank you for being part of that and for taking the time today, I’ve loved chatting to you again and it kind of brought back so much of our kind of conversation and journey, and, yeah, I’d sort of forgotten the incredible and formidable journey that you’ve been on. So it’s really, really lovely to see.
And yeah, it’s a shame this is not a video recording because actually, yeah, I’m beaming and feel full of energy after our conversation. So yeah, a huge, huge thank you for taking up your really precious time on maternity leave today. And I really wish you well in the next steps. And yeah, I’d love to hear more about that. Maybe we have another check in in in six months and find out what’s happened next before you take over the world! [laughs].
Thank you, Natasha.
Natasha: Thank you very much, Charlotte. It was a huge pleasure again having this discussion with you and for the great work you’re doing, you’re doing really, really amazing work, especially for women. Speaking as a woman, as you were saying is the difference is high, we get, we need to feel all the things be so having to encourage and to give that compliment. Having somebody to push and encourage women is really amazing. So yeah keep up the great world, the world will remember that, thanks a lot.
Charlotte: Yeah, collectively is what, wow we’re going to do it. It’s not just me, it’s tentacles. So yeah, think about the tentacles! You’re part of that. So go well and thank you so much for today.
Natasha: Thanks a lot.
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